Logos: Father or Son?

Melchisidec Meeting Abraham

Melchisidec Meeting Abraham

I’ve been asked several times to further explain myself in regards to what I was teaching on “let us make man in our own image.” I apologize for the mis-undertanding I have caused. This happened because I have went through a change of thought and mind that others have not witnessed. My writings online are typically for the purpose of causing those outside of the message to think about their beliefs and present teaches based on scripture alone.  However, many more message believers are beginning to read what I have written so I want to change my approach at this point in time.

There are several different understandings of the beginning of the Son, whether he had a pre-incarnate existence or had his beginning in the womb of Mary. However, since how I came to my understanding should genuinely be questioned I wanted to submit the quotes and explanation below. This is not intended to tie all the loose ends together. This is the journey of understanding the Lord led me through.

Most who are questioning already believe the message. Those who believe the Trinity or Jesus-only may be thrown for a loop by this, so approach this with that.

I went through a process in understanding the Logos and the beginning of the Son of God. When I first began my walk in the message I viewed the Son as having a pre-incarnate state. However, there were several quotes that I began reading that made me uneasy with that understanding. Believe me, I wanted to keep things simple, but as I read these quotes my conscience began to be pricked that for some reason I was not seeing the whole picture. Basically, what began to get me thinking was the places you see below where bro. Branham states that the Logos is the Father, the Logos was the anointing upon Jesus and also that Melchisedec is the Father not the Son. How could I reconcile this with the fact that bro. Branham stated that the Logos that went out from God was the Son of God? I will submit to you the quotes below.

Hebrews Chapter 1 57-0821 P:48

Now, here’s what happened. Oh… Excuse me; I–I–I just get on this… This just gets me right where I love it. See? The Logos, and this great Fountain; this great Fountain of Spirit which had no beginning or no end, this great Spirit begin to form in the creation; and the Logos that went out from It was the Son of GodIt was the only visible form that this Spirit had. And It was a theophany, which means a body, and the body was like a man.Moses saw It when It passed through the–by–by the rock. And he looked at It, said, “It looked like the hind part of a man.” It’s the same type of body that we receive when we die here, “If this earthly tabernacle be dissolved, we have one already waiting.” That was it. And that was the Theophany which was the Son of God. That Son, that Logos became flesh because we were put in flesh. And the Theophany, theLogos, became flesh here among us, and It was nothing else but the dwelling place; for that entire Fountain dwelt in Him. Oh, do you see it? There it is. That was the One that in…

HEBREWS_CHAPTER_FOUR  JEFF_IN 09-01-57 Evening

43 Jesus said, “Hear ye, O Israel, I’m the Lord your God,” one God, not three gods. In Africa they baptize once for the Father, and once for the Son, and once for the Holy Ghost. And then a poor Jew comes around and say, “Which one of them is your God?” Which one is, the Father, Son, or Holy Ghost?” They’re all three One. The Bible said they were One. Jesus was a house that God lived in; the Bible said that–that, I Timothy 3:16, “Without controversy (That’s argument.) great is the mystery of godliness. For God was manifested in the flesh, seen of angels, received on, and preached, believed on, and received up into glory.” God was. The Bible said, “His Name shall be called Emmanuel,” which is by interpretation, “God with us.” The Bible said that Jesus, in Him dwelt the Fullness of the Godhead bodily. As we had it the other night, God in the beginning was Spirit. And then from God went out the Logos, or the Theophany which was a form of a man called the Son of God (prefigured). He came in earth in a body of flesh, even before He came in Jesus Christ. Now, swallow that one once, brother. I’ll prove it to you. When–when Moses saw Him, he said, “Let me see Your form, Lord.” And God hid him in a rock.

CHRIST_REVEALED_IN_HIS_OWN_WORD  JEFF_IN 08-22-65 Morning

37 To misinterpret Jesus in the form of God in a man you would make Him–you would make Him one god out of three. To misinterpret Jesus Christ being the Word, you’d make Him one god out of three, or you’d make Him the second person in a godhead. And to do that, you’d mess the whole Scripture up. You’d never get nowhere. So It must not be misinterpreted. And if you say that a certain thing, you put an interpretation on It, and you apply It to another time or It’s been applied to another time, you also make an incorrect interpreting. If anybody misinterpret Jesus Christ in the Bible of not being God Himself, make Him the second person, or, one god out of three, this would upset every Word in the entire Bible. It would break the first commandment, “Thou shalt not have any other god before Me.” All right. It would make the whole Christian race a bunch of pagan worshippers worshipping three different gods. See what kind of a Bible you’d have? Then it’d make us what the Jews say we are: said, “Which one of them gods is your god?” See? So you see, you can’t–you mustn’t misinterpret the Bible, for Jesus Himself is the Interpretation of the Bible when He’s made manifest in the age that the part of His Body is being made manifest. If it’s a hand age, it must be a hand; it can’t be a head age. If it’s a voice age, well then, it can’t be a foot age. See? And now, we’re at the eye age.

The Logos was the Son and the Logos is the only visible form of the invisible God. There are not two logos or three logos, just one. Then we find out that the Logos was called the prefigured Son of God. Also, to misinterpret the Son of God being the Logos would make him one God of out three. Of course, he said the Logos was the Son, but here he says there is a right way to interpret it and a wrong way to interpret it. Again, he says the Logos was the Son “prefigured.” Here is the definition of prefigured.

pre·fig·ured, pre·fig·ur·ing, pre·fig·ures

1. To suggest, indicate, or represent by an antecedent form or model; presage or foreshadow: The paintings of Paul Cézanne prefigured the rise of cubism in the early 20th century.
2. To imagine or picture to oneself in advance.

To follow that example of cubism; it did not exist at the time of Paul Cezanne, but his work spoke of it before hand and was the precursor to it. The Son of God had not been born at the time of Melchisidec or the time of the creation of the world, but the logos spoke of the Son of God before his birth. How can I saw the Son wasn’t born yet? Please withhold judgment for now and wait until you read a few of the quotes below. The logos was the antecedant form or the model that foreshadowed the Son of God that was brought forth in the fulness of time, made of a woman, made under the law. (Gal. 4:4) God appointed the ages in the Son (Heb 1:2), God created the world by Jesus Christ (Eph. 3:9) and he is firstborn of all creation, the first born from the dead, he is before all things and by him all things consist. He was glorified before the world began. We also were glorified before the world began. (Rom 8:30, Heb. 4:3, John 17:22) We existed with him in the mind of God. The Lamb was slain in the mind of God before the world began. We were chosen in Christ before the world began.

THE_SEED_SHALL_NOT_BE_HEIR_WITH_THE_SHUCK  LA_CA 04-29-65 Breakfast

28 ‘Cause all this was in the Logos: the whole Word of God, the whole Bible, for every age. And as the Logos begin to breathe upon the earth, there come marine life, and building up to bird life, on up to animal life. And finally there come something in the representation, or looked like the thing that was brewing–brooding over it: God, a man in the very image of God. That man fell, like the seed has to fall. And then God begin to brood over that after the fall. He brought up a–a Enoch; He brought up Elijah; He brought up a Moses; He brought up prophet after prophet, trying to restore that image again. And, finally, upon the earth came the genuine Image of God Himself again, which was God, the Logos made flesh and dwelt among us. Now, that same Logos has a part; He’s got a Bride, and the same Logos, this Word that cannot be tampered with, is brooding over the churches today, trying to bring back the Word to Its full manifestation. Which the–the prophets was carriers to that Seed, and the church denominations has been carriers to the Seed now. Now, notice quickly, but like the shuck hugs, holds in the Seed now, then it leaves her… Jesus was God. He was. His Father was the great Logos Itself. And He could not pour It all in Moses, for he was a prophet.

The Son of God, who was born of a woman in the fullness of time, under the Law, is not one for one with the logos. The logos went forth in the beginning of time and that logos was the revelation of the Father and it was in fact the Father, but it foreshadowed or prefigured the Son of God. The Logos was in, upon and anointed Jesus.

QUESTIONS_AND_ANSWERS_2  JEFF_IN 08-23-64 Evening

49 So I don’t want to call myself anything but your brother. I am your brother, and you just regard me as Brother Bill, or Brother Branham, or whatever you want to do about that. That–that’s fine. That’s–that’s any… What you believe, keep that to yourself. You see? And now, what was that other question? I get so wound up in these, I forget what the things were. One of them was, “Was I the Son of man?” and… Here it is I believe. “… the Son of man or was the Pillar of Fire the Son of man?” No. The Pillar of Fire is the Anointing. The Pillar of Fire… Now, this may go a little deep unless it’s some of you theologians, Dr. Vayle, probably Brother here, and some of these ministers here from Arkansas, and the–my good friends around, they’d probably know. Now, that Pillar of Fire is the Logos that went out of God, the Logos, which is actually the attribute of the Fullness of God. When God become into a form to where It could be seen, It was the anointing of the great Spirit that went forth, Its condescending, coming down, God, the Father, the Logos that was up over Israel, that…

QUESTIONS_AND_ANSWERS_2  JEFF_IN 08-23-64 Evening

50 He was holy, could not bear sin. There had to be a blood offering right in Eden. Then that Logos become flesh and dwelt among us; and where this Logos dwelt in a human body, which was the Sacrifice… When man was made in the image of God… And then God came down in the image of man to redeem man; that brought man and God together. Heavens and earth hugged and kissed each other; God and man embraced each other as Fatherhood and Sonship when the Logos became flesh and dwelled among us. Jesus said, “I came from God, and I go to God.” Is that right? After His death, burial, resurrection, and ascension, when the body was taken up to set at the right hand of God… Now, I don’t mean God’s got a right hand; God’s a spirit. But at the “right hand” means “in power and authority of God.” That in that Name everything in heaven is named after It and subject to It. Everything in earth is named after It and subject to It, a Name above all names, Jesus Christ. Now, this Logos that was in Him, which was the Spirit of God, the Anointing, through the sanctifying grace of the Blood, brought many sons to God, which is anointed with this same Logos.

QUESTIONS_AND_ANSWERS_2  JEFF_IN 08-23-64 Evening

51 Now, on the day of Pentecost It come down, that Pillar of Fire, and broke apart like that, and tongues of fire set upon each of them, not their tongues, but tongues of fire set upon each of them, a elected, selected group, identified by this Pillar of Fire, showing that God had separated Himself into man. Do you get it? God, the Logos, separating Himself into men; God, not in one person, He’s in His Church universal. That’s the reason Jesus said, “The works that I do shall you also, more…” Now, I know the King James says, “greater,” but the right translation there is “more than this shall you do.” God was bottled and confined in one Man, Jesus Christ. But now He’s bottled and confined in the whole universal Church of the living God. Right now, while God is here speaking with us in our hearts, He’s in Africa; He’s in Asia; He’s in Europe; He’s in England. Wherever believers are gathered together, there He is in the midst of them. Now, after His death, burial, and ascension, and the coming of the Holy Ghost, Paul on his road down–which was Saul–to Damascus, he was struck down by a Pillar of Fire, the Logos. And that Jew would’ve never called that Pillar of Fire, “Lord,” unless he knew It was the same Logos that his people followed through the wilderness. See? Now, that was not the Son of man; that was the Logos.

QUESTIONS_AND_ANSWERS_2  JEFF_IN 08-23-64 Evening

52 Now, we say this with reverence, and love, and respect. See? As Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today, and forever, and also that in the last days, as it was before Lot’s time, or in Lot’s time in Sodom, so shall it be in the day that the Son of man reveals Himself again, revealing Himself. Now, in this last day the Logos that was upon Jesus–which He has become from that back to the Pillar of Fire again and has descended down on the earth to (I was going to say something, but I watch the tape. They wouldn’t believe that if you told them. It wouldn’t make any difference. They… People wouldn’t believe it, but I’ll omit that)–but has come down for, like an investigating judgment goes on. And now, this great Pillar of Fire that’s absolutely identified even by scientific cameras, that’s here on the earth today. There’s the picture of It hanging there. I believe it’s still there, isn’t that right? Is it there? Scientifically proven by the best we got. George J. Lacy, the head of the FBI for fingerprint and documents, said, “I called it psychology myself, Reverend Branham, but,” said, “the light struck the lens. I put it under ultra ray lights and had an examination here for four or five days. And the light struck the lens. And this lens won’t take psychology.” Now, that’s identified.

Here we see the Logos spoken of by William Branham as being the following;

1. God the Father
2. in Jesus
3. the Spirit of God
4. the Anointing
5. upon Jesus
6. not the Son of man

QUESTIONS.AND.ANSWERS.ON.GENESIS_  JEFF.IN  COD  WEDNESDAY_  53-0729

18-43 He got all those things together, and made…?… made all the other things, all the animal life, the birds, the bees, the monkeys, and whatever it was, put them all here on earth. And then He asked this question now. ” Let us ( Who Father and  Son ) make man in Our own image.”

Now, if a man was made something like that little sacred Light yonder, or something like that, It could not be seen (which is a spiritual Being). He manifested or unfolded Himself a little more to make a trinity of Himself by Father Son , and Holy Spirit. And here was God, unfolded Himself now, down into “let us make man (which was His son , an offspring from Him) man in Our own image (He was a supernatural being.), and let him have dominion over the cattles of the field, and so forth.”

Now, the man led the man–led the–the cattle and everything, just like the Holy Spirit leads a real true believer today. The Voice of God out there… The voice of man, rather, would speak and say… call the cattle this way, call the sheep over to this pasture, call the fishes to this water. See, he had dominion; everything obeyed him.

In 1953 he states that the “let us” was Father and Son.

A_SUPER_SIGN  JEFF_IN 12-27-59 Morning

26 That’s a sign, that every unrepented sinner will perish in the judgment, that the righteous shall be saved by the mercy of God. He gave another sign at the burning bush. What was it when He caught His runaway prophet? “I have heard the cries of My people, and I’ve remembered My covenant”? He gave another sign there, that He was a covenant-keeping God, that He remembered everything that He said, every promise that He made. He gave a sign at the burning bush, “And I’ve come down to deliver them.” Watch God in His ways of work. When He created the heavens and earth, He called the Angels together, and He said, “Let us.” Every place in the Scripture where He did anything mostly, “Not Me, but My Father.” But when it come to the plan of redemption, He came alone; nobody was with Him. He was the only One that could come. An Angel couldn’t do it. Another man called His son, couldn’t do it. One called something else, a holy virgin, or a holy mother, or–or some saint, couldn’t do it. God had to come.

Here in 1959 he said he gathered his angels together and said, “let us…”

CHRIST_REVEALED_IN_HIS_OWN_WORD  JEFF_IN 08-22-65 Morning

70 And He ever lives to make His Word live what It said It would do for that age. He is alive. He was alive in the Old Testament, manifested. I just want to–to let you see a little something here if you can stand it. Watch. When Jesus was manifested in the Old Testament as we believe it… Now, you preachers out there, you can argue with it, do whatever you want to, but I’m talking from my–what I think. See? When Jesus was manifested in the Old Testament in a theophany, in the Person of Melchisedec, not a priesthood, but the Person, the Man… See? For this Man had yet not been born, but He was in a theophany so He had no father, no mother. He was God Himself. He was manifested in the form of a Man called King of Salem, which is King of Peace and King of Righteousness. See? He was Melchisedec. He had neither father nor mother, beginning of days of ending of life. See? It was Jesus in a theophany in the form of a man. Could you go that? All right.

HEBREWS.CHAPTER.SEVEN.1_  JEFF.IN  HEB  SUNDAY_  57-0915E

23 Now, now if you’ll notice as we read the next verse. See? “First, being by interpretation, King of righteousness.” That’s not where I want to do. The–the 3rd verse, “Nor end of life.”…but made like unto the Son of God. Now, He was not the Son of God, for, if He was the Son, He had a beginning. And this Man had no beginning. If He was the Son, he had to have both father and mother. “And this Man had neither father nor mother. But He was made like unto the Son of God.” …abideth a priest continually. 

FUTURE_HOME_OF_THE_BRIDE  JEFF_IN 08-02-64

76 Just exactly like it did on there, upon the earth. Jesus was part of that earth that the Holy Ghost descended upon (Is that right?) and remained upon Him forever. It never can leave Him, It’s always there (He and God are one.), always has to remain. And so John saw the holy City, the New Jerusalem descending like a comet or a–a dove, coming down out of heaven and settling upon a redeemed entire earth. To do what? To claim every attribute that He made the earth for; every man that was represented in the eternity and every woman is redeemed then. She’s been scoured and burned by fire; Jesus in His fiery temptations in the wilderness for forty days… After that, notice, it was ready for His ministry then. Think of it, the Holy Ghost descending upon earth, Jesus, and that holy Blood. Now watch. I hope I don’t go too deep for you. See? The holy Blood that was created by God, the Blood, the Life, the Creation of God: Jesus was the beginning of the creation of God. Oh, my. You see it? God made in creation… He was Spirit. The Bible said He’s the beginning of the creation of God. How did He begin? In the wombs of a woman, which is what? The woman is… not like… How them blind people can’t see the serpent’s seed right here. See? Eve was put here on the earth, and before Satan ever touched her or anything else, God said to them, “Multiply and replenish the earth.” It’s right.

Here he states that 1. Jesus had not yet been born and 2. that he had his beginning in the womb of a virgin. So, to find the balance, the theophany there is Jesus yes, but before he was brought forth in birth as a separate person from God. Melchisidec was the logos that went out from God. The manifestation of God himself. That manifestation in fact is Jesus, but not Jesus as a separate person from God himself. It was simply the theophany of God, the logos. It was Jesus pre-figured or you could say it was Jesus proleptically. Now, this can be somewhat confusing, it was for me for years, but another way to say it is that it was the life of the Son that was in the Logos, but the Logos itself was the Father’s manifestation and expression. The only visible form the Father had. That life of the Son that was in the Logos later had a beginning and was born through a virgin.

Proleptical means the anachronistic representation of something as existing before its proper or historical time, as in the precolonial United States.

The logos was the going forth of the Son of God, but not in the sense that it was a separate person from God or a pre-incarnate Son. It was the self-manifestation and revelation of God. It was the only way the invisible Spirit could be seen to the spiritual eye. It was God limiting himself to a form in which he could be revealed to mankind. Again, the life of the Son was in the Logos. He was prefigured by the various appearances of God in the form of the logos.

To put it all together;

1. the Logos was the Son – the only visible form the invisible Spirit had
2. the Logos prefigures the Son
3. the Logos is the Father’s self-revelation and visible expression – it is the Father
4. the Logos was upon, in and anointed the Son
5. Melchisedec was Jesus in theophany in a man even though Jesus had not yet been born
6. When did Jesus begin? In the womb of a virgin.
7. the Logos was not the Son of man

Take it back to the bible, take it back to the message, pray over it and come to your own understanding. It’s important for all of us to be convinced in our own hearts.


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Brother Jason DeMars, is an author, preacher and a missionary that plants churches in the Middle East. He travels extensively to the Middle East, but resides full time in Crystal, Minnesota where he lives with his wife Amy and two daughters, Avery and Mina.
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